k i understand alot that grandpa was saying about the bandwiths but he said something about setting upload to 0-1.75 and it actually wont even alow me to go lower than 1.75. and even setting it to that it might cause problems and should be lower.. speed test gave me a 5.9kb/s download and 46.3 kb/s upload lol is that normal... and should i try the port thing you sugested? or were you telling me not to worry about doing it.. i'm figuring alot of this out but still not making progress... but still thanks on the schooling birdie its appriciated...